"Surely we should be having a youth striker on the bench? Young Ngoo could hold his own against physical Stoke. Even if its to give them 5 mins at the end. Worry about Suso. Nice tricks and flicks sometimes get you kicked into row z, big test for the yougster. Come on you reds"
"And so he should.IMO Joe Allen should NEVER be picked ahead of Jonjo.Please start at a high tempo and go for an early goal. Please BR push for 3 points"
"Good line up. Allen out, finally he sees it. Suso and Jonjo in there is good too, hope Raheem will play some minutes also. Chance for Downers to impress again, cause he isn't there yet. Let's do this Reds. YNWA!"
"looks a solid line up to me and pretty much as i expcted go on red men lets show the animals how football should be played keep a clean sheet and bang in a few goals YNWA"
"Great line up Brendan! Super creative front line with Suso, Sterling and Suarez and the two "hungry pit bulls" SG and Shelvey right behind.
My prediction, 2-0 Liverpool, with goals from Shelvey and Suarez! Let's go you Red Men!"
"Allen, Sterling needs only little break...they both never played so many games in short time...probably both used as subsute and especialy for sunday QPR-away."
"lets hope as its the same team as fulham that they start at the same tempo and that our passing is spot on. lets keep a clean sheet and be the first team to take 3pts from the brittania. com on you reds. luis to score again. YNWA"
"What a good XI! The same who we beat Fulham! Pleased to see the team unchanged, but disappointed not to see Sahin and Assaidi on the bench! What's happen to the moroccan? Anyway just hope we will bring home a good result! Best of luck lads! YNWA"
"3 points is a must.. After loosing to Villa this is vital. Villa getting beat left right and centre.. We must beat Stoke to put an end to their streak."
"suprised he stuck with suso. i'm not sure if he's ready for the physicality of this game we saw that against them the last time.i agree with Skrtdman atleast 1 youth striker on the bench? the rest of the lineup seems fine. goodluck anyway red men."
"What with the bitters,chelski and spurs beating, IMO the weakest team in the prem,villa a win is a must today.Need to start getting the ball forward a lot quicker than we do. But in time i believe we will get there under BR.(please!)"
"Aston Garbage have shipped twelve goals in two games. Perhaps the worst side the Premiership has seen in years. There had better be no nonsense like two weeks ago tonight. That Liverpool performance was an embarrassment and disgrace to the Club. We can tell its winter, BR is walking on thin ice and Sturridge will make the ice melt faster. No errors."
"I understand not changing the team after beating Fulham 4 nil at home, but I was at that game and Shelvey was shocking. In a game like today's we need players that work there socks off, and Shelvey will not do this. He is the laziest player we have. COME ON REDS"
"redbart1- Agree bud. That Villa result has proved to be even more rubush based on their last 2 results. Let's hope the win against a team who wins away about once a season (Fulham) was our turning point. Keep the faith. YNWA"
"Maybe BR has found the winning formula? I am pleased to see Sterling is on the bench. He looks tired and against Stoke, he will just bounce off their back four!"
"Luis7?9 - here we go again fans who can't even bother to take time to research their own team. Can you guys stop acting like parrots ASSAIDI IS INJURED !! But I guess that explanation still won't stop the next parrot from saying No Assaidi?"
"I agree with Steelduck. Fans are getting to carried away with Shelvey, yes he has scored a few goals. But if you watch him his movement is terrible he does not track back or close opponents down. He will hit one 60 yard pass and think job done, this guy really believes in his own hype. I am not doubting he has ability, but ability alone is not good enough."
"Good consistent line up tonight. Let's hope the lads can put in a good performance as this will certainly be a physical test. Would love to see more of Sahin and Assaidi though."
"Personally I would have put Coates in at centre half and Agger at left back with Enrique left midfield replacing Suso. Suso would get pushed off the ball by my little sister so I don't think he should have started plus that would give us extra height at the back...."
"Shelvey needs that extra second to control the ball but its being picked off easily by Stoke players. Shooting from distant by Liverpool. Shelvey needs to go off"
"I am sensing another Villa result here. We keep missing guilt edge chances & considering this lot have only shipped 14 goals, we need to be taking any chances we get."
"Stoke playing every other sport but football; wrestling, rugby, American football...disgraceful team
Well done so far reds for not conceding more against these thugs. Keep fighting"
"We havent beaten Stoke in the last 4 outings. To remedy this, we need some height up front. We are playing short corners just in case our CBs gets caught in the counter. Serious issues"
"Like my turkey yesterday, we're taking quite a basting!
45 mins to go, plenty of footy to play, we're still in it & I think Luis still has something to say in this game, just give him more support up there."
"Bring Coates on and change it to a 3-5-2 formation but it should have been that from the start, we are so weak today!! Shelvey stinks today bring Henderson plz how can the whole team be so inconsistent Im so fed up with it its so frustrating to warch that I turned the telly of. Get some fing balls LFC!!! Stand up!!!"
"We'll lose tonight, that team couldnt win a raffle, just shows that fulham were rubbish when they came to anfield, face the facts were going no were with Rodgers, were just a laughing stock, cant see january changing it for us, players and manager are pathetic, what next? oh we let the fans down again? been like all season under Rodgers, fact."
"DM86 agree we need 2nd half come back like against hammers. no 2 games are ever alike. still plenty of time left. longer studs needed??? come on Liverpool.YNWA"
"All you lot slating Stoke is a joke, they are keeping the ball just as well as we are. There closing down is far superior to ours. They are playing to there strengths, and remember football is a mans game, is this what football has come to, fans moaning because theres some physicality. BR has no plan A let alone B, our defending is the worst I have seen in a decade under BR."
"I can't see us threading the balls through tonight. May be use speeed in Sterling to get freekicks and set pieces might get us that all important equiliser. Perhaps we should play counter after that? I dont know."
"Hate being negative, but Sterling is gonna get kicked all over the place. We need some steel, not a featherweight (Prove me wrong Sterling, please prove me wrong)"
"hahaha, hope to get second??.... cant beat Villa, cant beat Stoke, cant beat an egg Rogers!!!! nothing but disappointment season after season. cant remember the last time we went into a season with true optimism.... pathetic"
"Brendan Rodgers looks clueless on the sideline. Our team is complete and utter crap. The players are softies. Suarez should go play somewhere he can get good service. I would rather play Stoke's way and win"
"I hoped BR was going to level the playing field by bringing off Shelvey, so at least then it would have been 11 v 11, but I guess BR likes playing with ten men."
"Im close to tears now, how can this be? to much stuffed turkey and wine last night? this is beyond embarrassing its not acceptable we had every good opportunity to own this game from the start but instead well you know nobody stepped up "
"Only J. Cole left to bring on as an attacker. Given Shelvey's performance today, I wouldn't argue with that change. Need transfers so bad next month."
"Yet again let down with a bump seriously think the best we can hope for is a cup run now. Many bad management decisions and too many vastly overpaid players. Catch a grip BR"
"Right that's it! Enough is enough. This is Liverpool football club we expect far better than this garbage week in week out! Sack Brendan! He's absolutely useless beyond belief. He spends far too much time talking to the media than being a manager. The buck stops with the manager! SACK BRENDAN RODGERS NOW!"
"Without a doubt, Suarez is our player of the season even at this stage of the season, he just never gives up a lost cause; you'd think he was the one born in Liverpool."
"please, how the hell can stoke still have 10 men on the field. They should down to at least 9 by now and thats being generous. Hopefully we won't concede anymore goals that way. Ha! Best we could hope for."
"We need a big man in central defense and defensive midfield, a world class striker like Falcao, a world class winer, and a new goal keeper. If we don't get these, LFC is going no where"
"Bob Paisley and Bill Shanks and all the legendary players who made this club so great must be shaking their heads in disbelief! This is the worst Liverpool team I've ever seen in my 50 years! We have a good enough squad to be doing far better! Brendan has to go! He's utter crap! Sack Brendan Rogers!"
"ani-road-05 - Yes Kenny made some bad buys, they were no worse than Allen and Borini. At least under KD we knew how to defend and more often than not attack. BR has us playing at such a pedestrian pace. We don't defend we barely attack. Stoke have not scored 3 goals in a prem game in over a year. We have a Championship Manager, on route to becoming a Championship team."
"ani road- I wonder who you are talking about? LOL. Hate being negative but at least we were playing positive football under KK.We are not only being out muscled by stoke they are actually out playing us.We are losing games and deserving to do so. Worrying times"
"Assistant coach telling J Cole "Joe, you know that net bewteen the the two posts?"..Joe replies "mmm yeah, I think"...coach replies, "well, put that round moving object in it!""
"what a joke suarez has never been a striker more a winger of a 433 we are gonna finish 7th or eighth at best no excuses rogers keeps gettin it so wrong he wont last long another 3 points lost what a joke "
"Assaidi a player that isnt playing football regularly gets picked over taarabt a frequent starting 11 player for the morroco national team. Is there a reason why BR dont play him. Shelveys been the worst player on the pitch. We needed sahin for this game, a person that could actually pass a ball. We got big problems if BR thinks only sturridge and ince is enough in january. "
"Brendan spends far too much time talking to the media and playing the big I am. He should keep his mouth shut, pack his bags, and resign! I'd rather see the skeltons of Bill and Bob on the bench running the team than Brendan 'I love the media' Rogers! "
"Sorry guys, I was being sarcastic. Being serious, I feel we lack bite. Teams know they can bully us. I rate Suso and Sterling but they are too lightweight. Jonjo lacks tactical nous. Suarez is having to take on the Stoke defence by himself. Our defence- say no more"
"don't buy this philosophy and needing sooo much time. quantum physics?BR thinks the fans are fickle and stupid. Which some are who keep quoting fergie. How long did steve clarke, mourinho, etc take to implement tactics. We need look no further than the last manager. Under kenny we always outplayed the opposition. This time were always second best. Br out. "
"Yawn, how boring are we to watch, no dowt other fans are laughing at us, Rodgers has a worser record than Hodgson but sstill hes Liverpool manager, how about doing something right fsg and get em sacked? Never happen cos fsg love us being laughed at."
"When an EPL like LFC relies on a bunch of kids to win us games then we are in trouble. BR is clueless at managing at this level. He's trying to bring the England under 21 into Liverpool! Worse goal difference since dont know when. Three gosl from Stoke, are you kidding! Its usually a draw."
"We had one of the best defense under KK and Clarke. We only needed to sign more strikers and KK would have done that and utilized Andy Caroll better. Plus we got to 2 cup finals and won one when we haven't won anything years earlier. Plus let our scoring players under KK go"
"And when I say outplayed I mean in chance creation, not conversion. Had kenny been more shrewd, and these daft Americans not insisted on British "talent" he would have done well. Had the yanks not heard of second season syndrome when the manager and promoted teams are found out? Hiring br is a shortsighted.
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"Shelvey, Johnson, Stevie G, Downing, Skrtl and Enrique was rubbish, and the rest nearly rubbish! Awful display! Tonight I'll not defend our boys in the discussion around the table here.
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"I'm hoping BR can come out on top and this is just a few teething issues. We'll see at the end of the season. Personally I thought KK was building a winning team - but I hope BR is the chosen 1."
"All the way from africa,I can see how useless we are.Stoke beat us to every ball.Why didn't how brilliant manager adapt the team to play stoke.Oh I forgot we have no real manager. "
"this liverpool side have got no fight they just fold when the goin gets toughth we need a new centre back to replace skyrtel a proper quality striker i.e. not sturridge nd a creative midfielder or else were lookin at 7th or 8th simple"
"red - BR had a spell at Reading, he didnt win a game in the first 10 matches and was woeful and sacked. At Swansea, he took Martinez thunder. Now, I odnt know how they interview for managers these Americans but sire not based on BR CV, more like his BS in his 800 page manifesto!"
"Fans need to voice their views and not just on here. Get him out. This club is for the fans, This isnt moneyball.
Can't stand what this confessed man utd fan is doing managing us. Weve become SH*T! No attack, no defence. Van gaal in. "
"Horrible performance, very sad to us this bad.The money spent in the summer has been wasted and some of the best players have gone but have not been replaced. Kenny sacked and replaced with a worse manager.This is NOT progress FSG. "
"It's time to start a peion to get Brendan Rogers out before totally wrecks this great club. Sack Brendan NOW! I've seen enough. He's rubbish. Go and be a TV pundit for the media Brendan that's all you're good for! No more excuses! Sack Brendan! "
"When BR was appointed and we played rubbish, I was only hoping for a top 10 finish. I havent changed my views on this, a top 10 finish but plse get rid of BR."
"PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC. WHAT A CROCK OF E!! AND YOU WONDER WHY WE CANT ATTRACT TOP CLASS PLAYERS!! IN DISGRACE. HUMILIATING TO BE A REDS FAN AT THE MO!! GET OUT ROGERS! "
"FSG really need to let us fans know what there plan is for LFC. Because if it is bottom half finishes from now on, we can brace ourselves for mediocrity. If they still believe we can compete, than employ a Manager with the right credentials and actually start putting some of your money in for transfers, and not money we recoup on selling players."
"Absolute rubbish tonight. After winning 4-0 the other day, why is it we can't string 2 passes together. Nobody deserved their red shirt tonight!!!!!!"
"Sorry but our lads were clueless against stoke today, awful man marking, touch poor, passing poor, shots poor. Shelvey didnt once find a red shirt. We need the transfer window to open soon as. Awful day, gutted. All teams above us won as well. Doubley gutted."
"Even though under KK we didn't get enough wins, we always dominated matches with lots of chances. Don't remember many humiliating performances like AFC and Stoke - no more humiliation please BR"
"All I can say is 19 GAMES, 6 WINS AND GOAL DIFFERENCE OF 2. Get real. Liverpool needs a REAL manager and ambitious owners. We will NEVER EVER get into the top four with BR in charge and the average players that are being brought in."
"we were in a battle tonight and lost after dream start.just goes to show we need those reinforcements in jan. come on you reds. better needed against QPR. YNWA"
"BR is clueless. No plan B. Field the same players playing the same way against a different side compared to Fulham! He's just hoping that the teams somehow magically "clicks" on the day. He's playing us, and earning loads for it. This is what upsets me."
"well, well! I hate to say it, but Rafa would have never lost this match. Reina, Gerrard, Agger and the usual suspects - Downing, Cole nad CO. made the difference. Awful!"
"Wouldn't believe BR could be so wrong in reading a game. What was he thinking bringing on Cole, pulling out Lucas and letting Jonjo start the second half"
"Stoke haven't lost a PL game at home this season, which includes Arsenal & ManC. Beaten today by a strong side, outplayed & outgunned, but I wont turn on the team & BR like others; we have what we have & we are where we are. I wish we were better, but we aren't."
"Out classed by Stoke, the differance between Rodgers and Pulis is Rodgers philosophy is to pass, Pulis philosophy is about belief to win,, be glad when your gone Rodgers and a few players also, you as a manager do nothing for me as a supporter."
"Another shocker, getting used to it though. The players let you down today Buck, no MOTM. Back and front poor. Starts at the back though. You have made 2 big blunders this year, Big Andy and Brad Jones."
"I got an idea! Let's bring in a Chelsea reject(!) btw brendung, this club has had a passing philosophy which included penetration, possesion, quality and winning at the same time. All I see is the back four passing it sideways. "
"boxing day defeat again. i don't BR knows what he is doing. we dn't need a soft manager or soft players like jonjo, downing,sterling, henderson, what makes it worst agger, i know he is good, but he is not strong enough. BR you need to grow some ball and talk to your players, drop them in reserve, if need be, your the boss not the players, you need to make that known to them."
"Out classed by Stoke, the differance between Rodgers and Pulis is Rodgers philosophy is to pass, Pulis philosophy is about belief to win,, be glad when your gone Rodgers and a few players also, you as a manager do nothing for me as a supporter."
"You are a crap manager Brendan! The worst manager I have ever seen. Get out of our club Brendan and NEVER come back!! Enough is enough. Brendan will never achieve anything at LFC because he's totally useless. Sack Brendan Rogers NOW! "
"Once we were trailed, I didn't see we had potential to strike back the whole game. No new tactic for the forward. The subsutes didn't create any difference.
We are real mid table team... Downing wasn't as good as the previous game, more of his usual perfomance.... BR is not good enough...."
"The fact is we have quality players that doesnt perform to expect, never blame
the coach for every fault and we need another goal keeper reina need rest
Poor effort tonight"
"Kenny....we asked you to come back and save us from Roy and then sacked you. Please come back and save us again......this manager is worse than Roy. People questioned your singings but this guy spent 30 mil, brought joe cole back and another expensive loan singing but not one of them started tonight. Sorry kenny for the club stabbing you in the back...please come back. "
"Enough is enough. Fact - Midlands Clubs can't play football. Fact - we lost to the worst team the Premership has ever seen (Villa). Fact - we have let 6 goals in against two teams we would not swap one of our players for any of theirs. The problem is obvious. Rodgers out now. He is not fit to tie Kenny's boot laces."
"Watch all the moaners come on name blaming hendo and Cole even hough we were 3-1 down when they came on.Not impressed with the selection for the starting 11 though BR IMAO. I Like Suso and Shelvey but they dont suit this type of game."
"Seen this coming a mile away!! shambles of a team. Spineless and toothless.Even the dogs on the street knew we should have had three at the back. and nobody on the posts at corners??your not a top four manager BR.Who have you bought, Borini, Allen and now Sturridge??Woeful "
"In a passing game, (which Enrique refuses to do!!!) once you pass you make yourself available to the player you just passed to. At LFC it means pass and then run AWAY from the ball... or pass it so that it will be hard for your team mate to control it... This team can't pass or even shoot! It's simply poor."
"Unforgivable this, how many times have we been let down only to be given excuses? Still think we should of got Rafa back, he knows how to get the best out of players, Rodgers hasnt a clue, fulham reach the europa final, we get Hodgson, Swansea play some decent football which Rodgers didnt build and we get Rodgers"
"That was utter garbage. Progress? You call that progress. One dimensional tippy tippy e. Out bullied as Aston Villa did. No tenacity, no urgency, no leaders. BR on a very slippery slope IMO. FSG can't keep conning us. 5 times champions of Europe being managed by a guy with less than 100 games as a manager (contd)"
"Can't believe people saying we need a new keeper!!! He is one of only two or three world class players we have. We will be lucky to keep him.....he deserves to be playing cl football. We need a new manager. "
"again no fight in this team .BR when r u going to admit ur are not experienced for this level , ur a mid table manager at most , please go u are all word no substasnce if so justify ur signings , which one has come good ?????"
"Conditions played a big part tonight, our players hard to keep there feet and control of the ball on the greasy pitch, stokes long balls put a lot of pressure on our defenders causing them to make mistakes, stop getting on teams back, if u think Liverpool aren't good enough go support someone else, and shelves had an off game, can't say he doesn't suit this game(he's a tank)"
"BR would not resign and the owner won't fire him because his goal is not about winning the match but doing business. We will have to wait for a while to see Liverpool hold up PL Trophy, maybe not in time for many senior fans. Sorry, but we know we still love our team."
"Typical Stoke's game...on Wimbledon park...We controled game somewhat in 1st half,but 2nd was bad.Luis had woodwork before their third...Reina is not in form,that's dangerous for this team.This perfomance proved that we have become mid table team AND that B.R. is an average manager,FACT.But,I still believe in players and LFC.YNWA>"
"Rookie FC. That's what we are. Lads 'learning their trade' in LFC's first team when they prob should be in the championship- Shelvey, Suso, Allen, Borini (when fit) and probably also sterling truth be known. FSG are having us off by giving us zero funds, and a manager who knows he's 'dropped on'. 'Exciting times' my ar5e. This is unacceptable BR, FSG."
"Somtimes one just wonders what can be said that will actually make things better , truth is we are no longer a force anymore, we're certainly not feared or taken seriously these days by the other teams. If we as individuals supported any other top EPL team would we honestly fear Liverpool? It may be time for them to let Brendan go and cut losses and think......Mourinho??? "
"How can people blame BR? He can work with what he's given. I bet if u gave him £100M we would be in a top 4 position, we were left with sh.*e by previous mangers. End of."
"No fight,no spirit,no plan b and no clue,now sturridge and no fking hope!! That was a disgraceful result against a poor ugly one dimensional football team who played us off the park.I dont wanna know anymore.Gutted"
"Rushjob I watched you loyally stand by Kenny all last season and yet he was sacked after getting us to two cup finals winning one for the first time in 6 years and now we have the most pathetic media loving manager who hasn't got a clue! He's only good at making excuses! Brendan needs to be sacked! Or expect more of the same from this joke of a manager. Kenny should never have been sacked!"
"I am very disappointed and frustrated with this performance but we have to move on quickly and forget this game. We never turned up today to fight for all three points. some players are just not brave enough and wanted to take on the responsibility. Players have to want the ball and move it quicker. YNWA"
"how sad am i? been looking forward to the transfer window more this year than i have christmas.. just as well i had a good christmas coz i think we're gonna have a c.r.a.p transfer window and maybe a worse looking final table result come the end of may.. but still YNWA lads"
"That is why I didn't agree the club fired Kenny within a season and a half. He could have more influence to the club than BR. The owner himself may disagree of KK's spending due to his mistake of buying a few players last season. That's understandable. Corrol price was too high and was a failure. Or KK wouldn't have been sacked."
"I need to ask something, anybody can reply my question: If most of our fans want Brendan to be sacked, then why they dont chant like ''Brendan Out'' at the stadium? Why they dont represent their REAL emotions?"
"FSG should watching and learning from where we are! 21 points behind Manure!! This is NOT acceptable!! While BR should be given more time, he requires the funds to build the team. This does not mean young British talent, but players with true quality and experience!! "
"To be honest stoke was by far the better team. Give credit where its due. They were there for the taking but our build up play was too slow and players seem to make the wrong runs thats not threatening. Stoke defender at times where not push to work hard enough. The two wide men stay two wide and fails to make runs in behind for a through pass. "
"Kenny would not be a puppet to these miserly yanks. Rushjob talks sense. Br is a convenient yard spinner to fool us masses. Anytime the media backs someone to this extent you know somethings fishy. "
"No way can i agree BR should be sacked. Players need to take responsibility simple as. The manager play the card he was dealt but his cards were not good enough for this game. Lets move on and continue to support the player and manager. In brendon i still trust."
"i will support this club no mmatter what but we need pretty much a complete overhaul of players ie:- centre back,attacking midfielder,2 wingers,3 strikers and a top keeper we also need to stop buying mediocre (with potential) players and br needs to look elsewhere than players he's worked with ie:- borini,allen and now sturridge those players are not exactly top class "
"IT WAS TOTAL CHAOS WE CANNOT DEFEND A ONE GOAL LEAD! AGAINST STOKE MY GOD, REDS FANS! THATS STOKE CITY! CUT THROUGH US LIKE A KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER HOLD YOUR HEADS IN SHAME LIVERPOOL.
FSG - SELL, SELL,SELL! TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT LIVERPOOL MEANS "
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